R55 Oil change for 2009 Clubman
#26
Oil analysis is posted somewhere on this board, I gotta go, so I can't search for it now.
#27
Ha Ha this topic on oil change frequency has been debated so much guys, I was afraid this would happen.
Anywho I checked out that website Tsar and I will most likely pick up the oil and filter. There is no difference in filters for the 09 CLubman S right? It shows 08+ Clubmans and 09 Coop Conv. but no 09 CLubman S. Please advise. Thanks.
Anywho I checked out that website Tsar and I will most likely pick up the oil and filter. There is no difference in filters for the 09 CLubman S right? It shows 08+ Clubmans and 09 Coop Conv. but no 09 CLubman S. Please advise. Thanks.
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#32
Just remember you really need to understand the oil and what it does and how it breaks down.
I am sure any of the folks mentioned in the thread as being analysis poeple will be more than willing to educate you if you ask the questions.
#33
Here is one of the many threads that cover this subject. Please read the whole thread.
Just remember you really need to understand the oil and what it does and how it breaks down.
I am sure any of the folks mentioned in the thread as being analysis poeple will be more than willing to educate you if you ask the questions.
Just remember you really need to understand the oil and what it does and how it breaks down.
I am sure any of the folks mentioned in the thread as being analysis poeple will be more than willing to educate you if you ask the questions.
Let me spend some quality time going over the posts.
#34
Ha Ha this topic on oil change frequency has been debated so much guys, I was afraid this would happen.
Anywho I checked out that website Tsar and I will most likely pick up the oil and filter. There is no difference in filters for the 09 CLubman S right? It shows 08+ Clubmans and 09 Coop Conv. but no 09 CLubman S. Please advise. Thanks.
Anywho I checked out that website Tsar and I will most likely pick up the oil and filter. There is no difference in filters for the 09 CLubman S right? It shows 08+ Clubmans and 09 Coop Conv. but no 09 CLubman S. Please advise. Thanks.
#35
#36
I have not seen any first hand evidence here or elsewhere, that following the suggested factory intervals will cause sludge or any other long term damage to the engine.
I would also like to see a copy or link to the study where it is claimed that the MINI synthetic oil is completely broken down by 6K miles.
I would love to see links, photos, etc that point to proven evidence of damage if following the on board computer intervals.
I would also like to see a copy or link to the study where it is claimed that the MINI synthetic oil is completely broken down by 6K miles.
I would love to see links, photos, etc that point to proven evidence of damage if following the on board computer intervals.
I know there were some other issues with sludge in other cars but I think those were more engineering design issues then oil issues.
With that being said I intend to change the oil at 1300 to 1500 miles on both of our MINI's but then I am going to let the cars on board system tell me when to do it next. (Yes that is the ole hot rodder in me that I just can't tame. Hey baby steps.)
I am not worried about either of our MINI's. They will last a long time and I'm sure I won't have any oil related failures.
Regards,
Pat
#37
I have not seen any first hand evidence here or elsewhere, that following the suggested factory intervals will cause sludge or any other long term damage to the engine.
I would also like to see a copy or link to the study where it is claimed that the MINI synthetic oil is completely broken down by 6K miles.
I would love to see links, photos, etc that point to proven evidence of damage if following the on board computer intervals.
I would also like to see a copy or link to the study where it is claimed that the MINI synthetic oil is completely broken down by 6K miles.
I would love to see links, photos, etc that point to proven evidence of damage if following the on board computer intervals.
I know there were some other issues with sludge but I think those were more engineering design issues then oil issues.
With that being said I intend to change the oil at 1300 to 1500 miles but then I am going to let the cars on board system tell me when to do it next. (Yes that is the ole hot rodder in me that I just can't tame. Hey baby steps.)
I am not worried about either of our MINI's. They will last a long time and I'm sure I won't have any oil related failures.
Regards,
Pat
#38
Has anyone actually changed the oil in their 2008/2009 Clubman S? Is there a DIY for the Clubman out there? I've read that I will have to remove the coolant tank as well as a turbo hose to get to the oil filter. Sounds like a lot more work than a standard oil change...
Oh and the oil was very dark and metal shavings was obviously present. Could I still have just followed the on board computer? Maybe. It sure did make me feel better about putting in clean oil though. :D
#39
#40
That's because you don't have one. You actually don't need to remove any of the turbo hoses, but you need to at least remove the coolant tank on an S. It's very easy, the coolant tank is held on with one screw.
I did my first oil change just after break in and again at 5k. Next one will be at 10k at which point I will do an oil analysis. It just seems too convenient to me that the oil change interval on BMWs magically went from 7.5k to 15k when they started paying for them.
I did my first oil change just after break in and again at 5k. Next one will be at 10k at which point I will do an oil analysis. It just seems too convenient to me that the oil change interval on BMWs magically went from 7.5k to 15k when they started paying for them.
#43
Recreational Oil Changing
The term "recreational oil changer" was coined to define people that change their oil far more than necessary because they actually enjoy doing it. It's easy to understand the psychology behind the recreational oil changing. It's the visceral feel of the tools, the victory when that old oil filter breaks free, the hot dirty oil pouring out, the joy of oiling of the gasket on the new filter, that new copper or fiber gasket on the drain plug, the clean clear oil going in, and the sense of accomplishment when you start the car, the oil light comes on for a moment, then goes out. For $8-10 in oil and parts, it's pretty cheap entertainment, but if people would be content to do it only when it provides some benefit to the vehicle it would be better.
The 3000 Mile Myth
The 3000 mile oil change interval has been pounded into people's heads for decades. It had a scientific basis when engines used non-multi-weight, non-detergent oil. It no longer has any scientific basis, but it is still being promoted by certain entities, most notably the oil change industry in the United States. This myth is also sometimes known as the "Cheap Insurance Myth."
The Dark Oil Myth
Dark oil does not indicate the need for an oil change. The way modern detergent motor oil works is that minute particles of soot are suspended in the oil. These minute particles pose no danger to your engine, but they cause the oil to darken. A non-detergent oil would stay clearer than a detergent oil because all the soot would be left on the internal engine parts and would create sludge. If you never changed your oil, eventually the oil would no longer be able to suspend any more particles in the oil and sludge would form. Fortunately, by following the manufacturer's recommended oil change interval, you are changing your oil long before the oil has become saturated. Remember, a good oil should get dirty as it does it's work cleaning out the engine. The dispersant should stop all the gunk from depositing in the oil pan.
The only real way to determine whether oil is truly in need of changing is to have an oil analysis performed. Since most people don't want to bother with this, it's acceptable to err heavily on the safe side and simply follow the manufacturer's recommended change interval for severe service. There are still a few cars that specify 3K intervals for severe service, but not many. If you look at countries other than the U.S., the oil recommended change interval is much higher than even the normal interval specified by vehicle manufacturers in the U.S.
The term "recreational oil changer" was coined to define people that change their oil far more than necessary because they actually enjoy doing it. It's easy to understand the psychology behind the recreational oil changing. It's the visceral feel of the tools, the victory when that old oil filter breaks free, the hot dirty oil pouring out, the joy of oiling of the gasket on the new filter, that new copper or fiber gasket on the drain plug, the clean clear oil going in, and the sense of accomplishment when you start the car, the oil light comes on for a moment, then goes out. For $8-10 in oil and parts, it's pretty cheap entertainment, but if people would be content to do it only when it provides some benefit to the vehicle it would be better.
The 3000 Mile Myth
The 3000 mile oil change interval has been pounded into people's heads for decades. It had a scientific basis when engines used non-multi-weight, non-detergent oil. It no longer has any scientific basis, but it is still being promoted by certain entities, most notably the oil change industry in the United States. This myth is also sometimes known as the "Cheap Insurance Myth."
The Dark Oil Myth
Dark oil does not indicate the need for an oil change. The way modern detergent motor oil works is that minute particles of soot are suspended in the oil. These minute particles pose no danger to your engine, but they cause the oil to darken. A non-detergent oil would stay clearer than a detergent oil because all the soot would be left on the internal engine parts and would create sludge. If you never changed your oil, eventually the oil would no longer be able to suspend any more particles in the oil and sludge would form. Fortunately, by following the manufacturer's recommended oil change interval, you are changing your oil long before the oil has become saturated. Remember, a good oil should get dirty as it does it's work cleaning out the engine. The dispersant should stop all the gunk from depositing in the oil pan.
The only real way to determine whether oil is truly in need of changing is to have an oil analysis performed. Since most people don't want to bother with this, it's acceptable to err heavily on the safe side and simply follow the manufacturer's recommended change interval for severe service. There are still a few cars that specify 3K intervals for severe service, but not many. If you look at countries other than the U.S., the oil recommended change interval is much higher than even the normal interval specified by vehicle manufacturers in the U.S.
#44
16,000 miles surely seems like a long time for an oil change, and it is, and it goes very much against my previously firm belief in the 3,000 mile interval. But I dropped in the Mobil-1 10w-30 and the XHD oil filter as a part of the just-purchased-it cleandown (check for codes, full tune, oil change, check all brakes, replace burnt bulbs, etc.). I kept checking the oil and seeing a crankcase full of mighty clean engine oil which didn't smell or feel any different from the stuff that came right out of the bottle. It grew slightly dark--think "soy sauce" if new oil is "honey"--but no darker. It never got sticky or gritty or began to smell gasoliny or carbonacious. It was down by a pint (half a quart!) at 8,000 miles, so I changed the XHD filter, added a quart and a pint, and had my mother keep driving.
When I drained the oil at 16,000, it looked great and smelled and felt fine. So in short, I didn't do this because I read about it, or because somebody told me I should, or to rationalize the higher cost of Mobil-1. I did it based solely on my own executive decision.
We're closing in on our second 16,000 mile interval, and will probably hit it within the year. When the engine was apart for a head gasket, everything looked great. No abnormal wear anywhere, no weird noises, no oil pressure problems, no smoke, so...what can I say? More notes on the 53020311 Severe Duty oil filter: List is around $7.something per filter. They fit all four of our cars, so I buy them by the case and pay $4.30/filter. It's built with very good materials and workmanship. I have yet to find a sample--and I have cut several open--with sloppy or incomplete gluing, half-assed construction, foreign material inside the filter, etc. The antidrainback and overpressure relief valves are MUCH more robustly designed than any other filter I've ever examined for this application (and there have been many). The filter element inside is *very* large. I like this filter a lot.
Webmaster update: General Motors has started fitting its cars with a computer based monitoring system which determines the need for oil changes based on driving habits, weather, and other conditions. They find that many customers can safely change their oil at 10,000 miles, rather than 3,000 miles. Indeed, some can stretch it out longer.
When I drained the oil at 16,000, it looked great and smelled and felt fine. So in short, I didn't do this because I read about it, or because somebody told me I should, or to rationalize the higher cost of Mobil-1. I did it based solely on my own executive decision.
We're closing in on our second 16,000 mile interval, and will probably hit it within the year. When the engine was apart for a head gasket, everything looked great. No abnormal wear anywhere, no weird noises, no oil pressure problems, no smoke, so...what can I say? More notes on the 53020311 Severe Duty oil filter: List is around $7.something per filter. They fit all four of our cars, so I buy them by the case and pay $4.30/filter. It's built with very good materials and workmanship. I have yet to find a sample--and I have cut several open--with sloppy or incomplete gluing, half-assed construction, foreign material inside the filter, etc. The antidrainback and overpressure relief valves are MUCH more robustly designed than any other filter I've ever examined for this application (and there have been many). The filter element inside is *very* large. I like this filter a lot.
Webmaster update: General Motors has started fitting its cars with a computer based monitoring system which determines the need for oil changes based on driving habits, weather, and other conditions. They find that many customers can safely change their oil at 10,000 miles, rather than 3,000 miles. Indeed, some can stretch it out longer.
#46
Just a little add to this topic. My British Friends were in town this weekend, from Britain, and somehow we got to talking about oil changes. They said that very few people in GB get their oil changed after the factory warrenty period. EVER! Something about the philosophy that as long as the car has oil in it, it is fine.
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#48
Just a little add to this topic. My British Friends were in town this weekend, from Britain, and somehow we got to talking about oil changes. They said that very few people in GB get their oil changed after the factory warrenty period. EVER! Something about the philosophy that as long as the car has oil in it, it is fine.
#49
Has anyone actually changed the oil in their 2008/2009 Clubman S? Is there a DIY for the Clubman out there? I've read that I will have to remove the coolant tank as well as a turbo hose to get to the oil filter. Sounds like a lot more work than a standard oil change...