Drivetrain N18 vs. B48
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N18 vs. B48
Hey guys,
Was able to get a new MINI S B48 motor on the dyno for baseline pull. The new 2L motor. Thought it made an interesting comparison to the N18 in stock form. Very similar power.
The B48 runs around 8-9psi stock... but is easily tuned up to 11-13psi. I have not explored levels beyond that but I expect power to fall in the 250whp range at 13psi. Unfortunately wasn't able to get tuned runs on the B48 but it's responding very well. Will be a worth adversary for the N18.
Was able to get a new MINI S B48 motor on the dyno for baseline pull. The new 2L motor. Thought it made an interesting comparison to the N18 in stock form. Very similar power.
The B48 runs around 8-9psi stock... but is easily tuned up to 11-13psi. I have not explored levels beyond that but I expect power to fall in the 250whp range at 13psi. Unfortunately wasn't able to get tuned runs on the B48 but it's responding very well. Will be a worth adversary for the N18.
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Things are getting exciting around here!!
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2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
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I'd bet $$ that the stock gen3 tune was made specifically to match the gen2 closely....gives them a chance to sell n18 cars from the plants with folks test driving them saying...hmm...pretty similar...and I'd bet the newer motor will get a 10 HP bump when they do a refresh....most seem automakers seem to do this as a model ages to give extra value to a design as it ages and they gain confidence in a motor....
Good to hear folks are already playing with the new motor....
Maybe there is hope!! Now if they could just do something about that nose....
Good to hear folks are already playing with the new motor....
Maybe there is hope!! Now if they could just do something about that nose....
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Hey guys,
Was able to get a new MINI S B48 motor on the dyno for baseline pull. The new 2L motor. Thought it made an interesting comparison to the N18 in stock form. Very similar power.
The B48 runs around 8-9psi stock... but is easily tuned up to 11-13psi. I have not explored levels beyond that but I expect power to fall in the 250whp range at 13psi. Unfortunately wasn't able to get tuned runs on the B48 but it's responding very well. Will be a worth adversary for the N18.
Was able to get a new MINI S B48 motor on the dyno for baseline pull. The new 2L motor. Thought it made an interesting comparison to the N18 in stock form. Very similar power.
The B48 runs around 8-9psi stock... but is easily tuned up to 11-13psi. I have not explored levels beyond that but I expect power to fall in the 250whp range at 13psi. Unfortunately wasn't able to get tuned runs on the B48 but it's responding very well. Will be a worth adversary for the N18.
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I did some 1/4 mile testing on a private track and stock for stock it seems to be a couple MPH slower than the N18 in the 1/4 mile. Must weigh more.
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Woohoo! Glad to see that someone's started already. Thanks for posting for us!
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Gotta say I'm not impressed. I thought the 2nd gen tuners are able to pull around 250 from a 1.6 (roughly 156 hp/L for argument sake and without drivetrain losses calculated in).
I was really hoping that we'd be seeing this new 2L in the 300hp range
(and it still needs a physical damn dipstick)
Gotta say I'm not impressed. I thought the 2nd gen tuners are able to pull around 250 from a 1.6 (roughly 156 hp/L for argument sake and without drivetrain losses calculated in).
I was really hoping that we'd be seeing this new 2L in the 300hp range
(and it still needs a physical damn dipstick)
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Totally enjoy my JB+, great job....
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Woohoo! Glad to see that someone's started already. Thanks for posting for us! +1 Gotta say I'm not impressed. I thought the 2nd gen tuners are able to pull around 250 from a 1.6 (roughly 156 hp/L for argument sake and without drivetrain losses calculated in). I was really hoping that we'd be seeing this new 2L in the 300hp range (and it still needs a physical damn dipstick)
The F56 will be able to do 250 WHP on just a tune, add other mods and 300whp could be possible. Remember 250hp at the crank is much different than 250 at the wheels.
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2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
2013 GP2 #295, 270whp/310wtq, KO4 47mm Turbo, 18" NM Wheels, Alta intake, Manic Stage III+, HFS-3 Meth, 30% E85 Blend, Forged IC, Alta Hot Pipe, P&P/Ceramic Exhaust Manifold, m3 Extreme Ceramic DP, Vibrant mid res, 4" Double walled Tips, WMW/KW V3 CO, Alta Rear CA, CREE Fogs, Black out F/R Rings and Gas Cap, M7 CF Front Splitter, and No Stickers. MORE TO COME!! Previous 04Triple Black 17% Alta, MM Air/H2O, CAI, OBX Header, FBT Head, Shrick Cam, 234whp
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MarioKart you must be already running 270hp at the crank, but then again you have the much more efficient and powerful N18 produced. I believe that an N18 version of a 2.0 liter would have been better than what BMW has to offer now with the F56.
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